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		<title>Trump investigation: Could grand juror’s words tank charges?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Almost as soon as the foreperson of the special grand jury in the Georgia election meddling investigation went public this week, speculation began about whether her unusually candid revelations could jeopardize any possible prosecution of former President Donald Trump or others.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">By KATE BRUMBACK</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">ATLANTA (AP) — Almost as soon as the foreperson of the&nbsp;<a href="https://apnews.com/article/juries-georgia-donald-trump-076081d256f75f1779f87ffc77513509">special grand jury</a>&nbsp;in the Georgia&nbsp;<a href="https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-georgia-a66edf8ccbf51924b76d7a4e7fcd1e16">election meddling investigation</a>&nbsp;went public this week, speculation began about whether her unusually candid revelations could jeopardize any possible prosecution of former President Donald Trump or others.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Emily Kohrs first spoke out in an interview&nbsp;<a href="https://apnews.com/article/politics-new-york-city-only-on-ap-donald-trump-georgia-266e28c4e47e54731b233e0f770f6729">published Tuesday by The Associated Press</a>, a story that was followed by interviews in other print and television news outlets. In detailed commentary, she described some of what happened behind the closed doors of the jury room — how witnesses behaved, how prosecutors interacted with them, how some invoked their constitutional right not to answer certain questions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Lawyers for Trump say the revelations offered by Kohrs shattered the credibility of the entire special grand jury investigation. People hoping to see the former president indicted worried on social media that Kohrs may have tanked a case against the former president. But experts said that while Kohrs’ chattiness in news interviews probably aggravated Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who’s leading the investigation, they were not legally damaging.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Willis likely “wishes that this woman hadn’t gone on the worldwide tour that she did,” said Amy Lee Copeland, a former federal prosecutor and criminal defense attorney in Georgia who’s not involved in the case. “But is this a headache that is grinding the machine to a halt? It’s not. It’s just one of the many frustrations that attends the practice of law.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Trump’s attorneys in Georgia, however, are jumping on the interviews.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Drew Findling and Jennifer Little, who represent Trump in the Fulton County case, said they’ve had concerns about the panel’s proceedings from the start but have kept quiet out of respect for the grand jury process. After Kohrs’ interviews, they felt compelled to speak out.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“The end product is, the reliability of anything that has taken place in there is completely tainted and called into question,” Findling said. But he also said he wasn’t attacking “a 30-year-old foreperson.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“She’s a product of a circus that cloaked itself as a special purpose grand jury,” he said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Findling and Little hadn’t filed any challenges in the case by Thursday but said they’re “resolute” as to Trump’s innocence and keeping their options open.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“We’re considering everything and anything to look after the interests of our client,” he said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The&nbsp;<a href="https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-donald-trump-georgia-presidential-8823a1c619ca26be91f8d76b83a9f974">special grand jury</a>&nbsp;was impaneled at the request of Willis, who is investigating whether Trump and his Republican allies committed crimes as they tried to overturn his narrow 2020 election loss in the state to Democrat Joe Biden. The panel didn’t have the power to indict but instead offered recommendations for Willis, a Democrat, who will ultimately decide whether to seek charges from a regular grand jury.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Willis’ office has declined to comment on Kohrs’ media appearances, other than to say they weren’t aware ahead of time that she planned to give interviews. Spokesperson Jeff DiSantis also declined Thursday to comment on the statements from Trump’s attorneys.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The former president’s lawyers expressed concern that the special grand jury had been allowed to watch and read news coverage of the case and was aware of some witnesses’ efforts not to testify. Kohrs said prosecutors told the jurors they could read and watch the news but urged them to keep open minds.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kohrs also shared numerous anecdotes from the proceedings that she found amusing and was very expressive in television interviews, sometimes laughing or making faces.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“It’s not a joking matter,” Findling said. “It’s not a matter for giggles. It’s not a matter for smiles.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Findling and Little said the district attorney’s office, which advised the special grand jury, should have better educated the grand jurors about the solemnity of the process and the rules and limitations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“That tone and that rhetoric begins from the top down, and that was set by the district attorney’s office,” Little said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Trump himself criticized the process in a post on his social media network Wednesday, calling the Georgia investigation “ridiculous, a strictly political continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt of all time.” He expressed dismay at Kohrs “going around and doing a Media Tour revealing, incredibly, the Grand Jury’s inner workings &amp; thoughts.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though Kohrs did not publicly name anyone the special grand jury recommended for possible indictment, Trump’s lawyers said she seemed to implicate him in response to questions.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They also said the judge overseeing the special grand jury could have instructed or strongly suggested that the grand jurors not speak publicly until the panel’s full final report was made public. Several&nbsp;<a href="https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-election-investigation-grand-jury-documents-40535dd2b4401e804af515229c6c2d68">parts of the report were released</a>&nbsp;last week, but Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney said any section that recommended specific charges for specific people would remain secret for now.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">During a hearing last month, a lawyer for a coalition of news outlets, including the AP, urged the immediate release of the full report.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In the federal system, grand jurors are prohibited from talking about what witnesses say or anything that happens in the room. But the Georgia special grand jury oath says only that they cannot talk about their deliberations.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The special grand jury was dissolved Jan. 9, and Judge McBurney told the AP that he later met with grand jurors to discuss where things stood. He said he provided them with the “rules of the road” of what they were legally allowed and not allowed to discuss publicly.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He said they could discuss what witnesses said and what is in the report but could not talk about deliberations because that’s what their oath said.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Trump lawyer Little said she believes some of what Kohrs discussed in interviews was in fact part of deliberations, including when she talked about the credibility of some witnesses, decisions to recommend multiple indictments and the reasons why the grand jurors did not seek to bring Trump in to testify.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Copeland, the former federal prosecutor and criminal defense attorney, noted that Kohrs was cautious — consulting a notebook where she’d written the judge’s instructions before answering some questions — and didn’t describe the discussion and debate that led to the special grand jury’s outcomes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“I wish she really hadn’t talked about anything,” Copeland added. “But she doesn’t talk about the deliberations. She doesn’t talk about the votes. She simply talks about other things that were happening in the grand jury session.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">University of Georgia law professor emeritus Ron Carlson said that if Kohrs had revealed the names of anyone for whom the special grand jury recommended charges, it’s possible those people could try to use that as grounds to dismiss an indictment. But he wasn’t optimistic about the chances for success.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“I think that any kind of motion to dismiss an indictment based on her comments would have an uphill battle,” Carlson said.</p>



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		<title>House Dems make case for conviction; Trump denies charges</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Donald Trump endangered the lives of all members of Congress when he aimed a mob of supporters “like a loaded cannon” at the U.S. Capitol, House Democrats said Tuesday in making their most detailed case yet for why the former president should be convicted and permanently barred from office. </p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Donald Trump endangered the lives of all members of Congress when he aimed a mob of supporters “like a loaded cannon” at the <a href="https://www.visitthecapitol.gov">U.S. Capitol</a>, House <a href="https://democrats.org">Democrats</a> said Tuesday in making their most detailed case yet for why the former president should be convicted and permanently barred from office. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Trump denied the allegations through his lawyers and called the trial unconstitutional. The dueling filings offer the first public glimpse of the arguments that will be presented to the Senate beginning next week. The impeachment trial represents a remarkable reckoning with the violence in the Capitol last month, which the senators witnessed firsthand, and with Trump’s presidency overall. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Held in the very chamber where the insurrectionists stood on Jan. 6, it will pit Democratic demands for a final measure of accountability against the desire of many <a href="https://www.gop.com">Republicans</a> to turn the page and move on. The impeachment trial, Trump’s second, begins in earnest on Feb. 9. The Democratic legal brief forcefully linked Trump&#8217;s baseless efforts to overturn the results of the presidential election to the deadly riot at the Capitol, saying he bears “unmistakable” blame for actions that threatened the underpinnings of American democracy. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It argued that he must be found guilty on a charge of inciting the siege. And it used evocative language to conjure the day&#8217;s chaos, when “terrified members were trapped in the chamber&#8221; and called loved ones “for fear they would not survive.” “His conduct endangered the life of every single member of Congress, jeopardized the peaceful transition of power and line of succession, and compromised our national security,&#8221; the Democratic managers of the impeachment case wrote. “This is precisely the sort of constitutional offense that warrants disqualification from federal office.” </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Democrats&#8217; filing made clear their plan to associate Trump&#8217;s words with the resulting violence, tracing his efforts to subvert democracy to when he first said last summer that he would not accept the election results and then through the November contest and his many failed attempts to challenge the results in court. When those efforts failed, the Democrats wrote, “he turned to improper and abusive means of staying in power,” specifically by launching a pressure campaign aimed at state election officials, <a href="https://www.justice.gov/archives/open/congressional-affairs">the Justice Department and Congress</a>. “The only honorable path at that point was for President Trump to accept the results and concede his electoral defeat. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Instead, he summoned a mob to Washington, exhorted them into a frenzy, and aimed them like a loaded cannon down Pennsylvania Avenue,” the Democrats wrote in an 80-page document. The Democrats cited his unsuccessful efforts to sway Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and former Attorney General William Barr. Trump then became “fixated” on Jan. 6, the managers wrote. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">They note that many of his supporters, including the Proud Boys — who Trump told to “stand back and stand by” at a September debate — were already primed for violence. “Given all that, the crowd which assembled on January 6 unsurprisingly included many who were armed, angry, and dangerous—and poised on a hair trigger for President Trump to confirm that they indeed had to “fight” to save America from an imagined conspiracy,” the Democrats wrote. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The House brief is more than 5 times as long as the 14-page Trump filing and heavy on footnotes and citations, aiming to construct what Democrats hope will be a detailed roadmap for conviction. Trump’s legal team, by contrast, was more sparing in a filing that avoided dwelling on the drama and violence of the day. Trump’s lawyers, David Schoen and Bruce Castor, denied that he had incited the riot by disputing the election results or by exhorting his followers to “fight like hell.” They said he was permitted by the First Amendment to challenge his loss to Democrat Joe Biden as “suspect” and that, in any event, the trial itself was unconstitutional now that Trump has left the <a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov">White House</a>. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The defense team denied that Trump had ever endangered national security and disputed the Democrats&#8217; characterization of his remarks and his role in the riot. When he told his followers to fight like hell, they said, he was talking about “election security in general.” Trump, they said, was not attempting to interfere with the counting of electoral votes, only encouraging members of Congress to engage in the customary process of challenging vote submissions “under a process written into Congressional rules,” as had been done in years past. “The actions by the House make clear that in their opinion the 45th President does not enjoy the protections of liberty upon which this great Nation was founded, where free speech, and indeed, free political speech form the backbone of all American liberties,&#8221; the defense lawyers wrote. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Trump&#8217;s legal team also laid out a challenge to the constitutionality of the trial now that Trump is no longer president. Though that claim may not be resolved any time soon in the courts, it may nonetheless resonate politically. Republicans have signaled that acquittal is likely, with many saying they think Congress should move on and questioning the constitutionality of an impeachment trial with Trump out of office. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In a test vote in the Senate last week, 45 Republicans, including party leader Mitch McConnell, voted in favor of an effort to dismiss the trial over those constitutional concerns. Still, the Constitution specifies that disqualification from office can be a punishment for an impeachment conviction, and Democrats made clear that they see that as a worthwhile objective in this case. “This is not a case where elections alone are a sufficient safeguard against future abuse; it is the electoral process itself that President Trump attacked and that must be protected from him and anyone else who would seek to mimic his behavior,” the Democrats wrote. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Though no president has been tried after departing the White House, Democrats say there is precedent, pointing to an 1876 impeachment of a secretary of war who resigned his office in a last-ditch attempt to avoid an impeachment trial. The Senate held it anyway. The Democrats wrote that the framers of the Constitution would not have wanted to leave the country defenseless against “a president’s treachery in his final days, allowing him to misuse power, violate his Oath, and incite insurrection against Congress and our electoral institutions” simply because he is leaving office. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Setting that precedent now would “horrify the Framers,” the brief said. “There is no ‘January Exception’ to impeachment or any other provision of the Constitution,” the Democrats wrote. “A president must answer comprehensively for his conduct in office from his first day in office through his last.”</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">ERIC TUCKER and MARY CLARE JALONICK Associated Press</p>



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